tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21651465.post116625339633189071..comments2024-03-18T05:55:21.051-07:00Comments on Rice Daddies: Asian vs. OrientalUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21651465.post-8755822036176932812011-12-01T18:44:10.573-08:002011-12-01T18:44:10.573-08:00Really? You're insulted by the term Oriental ...Really? You're insulted by the term Oriental but your blog is called Rice Daddies?<br /><br />--NiroAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21651465.post-60060801381972123222011-11-21T12:09:44.245-08:002011-11-21T12:09:44.245-08:00I'm 51. When I was in school the term Oriental...I'm 51. When I was in school the term Oriental was used in our curriculum. I still use it out of habit, when I don't catch myself. I try to be aware but when we said "Oriental" back in the day it wasn't meant in a way any more condescending than if we said European or South American. (Are those also slurs now?)<br /><br />I try to catch myself but honestly I don't Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21651465.post-84928248668569589932011-10-05T17:25:44.204-07:002011-10-05T17:25:44.204-07:00What an ass! Not the old man, but you. You said he...What an ass! Not the old man, but you. You said he meant it as a compliment. It's done, need to write about or call it racist, it wasn't. You could have kindly thanked him but let him know that the preferred term is asian. You know he wasn't being racist, you have the problem.<br />Plus in your opening statement you kind of made fun of the locals there, who as you said are white... Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21651465.post-18071078404454198112011-08-08T01:36:14.962-07:002011-08-08T01:36:14.962-07:00Many of those East Asians who find the term "...Many of those East Asians who find the term "Oriental" are actually ignorant themselves when they use the term "Asian" synonymously with "East Asian", as if "South Asians" are not part of the "Asian" category. When East Indians want to talk about Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, and those with an epicanthic eye fold, they are not going to use the wordAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21651465.post-9359203014354584182011-06-22T02:01:03.998-07:002011-06-22T02:01:03.998-07:00I don't think people should get offended by th...I don't think people should get offended by the term oriental when I think of oriental I think of a specific area like China, Japan Korea, Thailand, ect.. I find oriental women very atractive. But not all asian (India, Pakistan, ect..) women have the same look. I think if people are going to get upset over defining an area then we should call all people from the european continent european, onyxlabdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17620615686755000851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21651465.post-75036512657074917642011-02-01T09:13:29.228-08:002011-02-01T09:13:29.228-08:00You should teach them to inform the people who mak...You should teach them to inform the people who make the statement that it is improper to call someone Oriental. No one in this day and age would go up to someone and call them a Negro. It because the Asian people don't voice them self about this matter that people think it's ok. So teach them to educate people instead of confronting them.Jason Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02084764198430539433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21651465.post-1166645330359531812006-12-20T12:08:00.000-08:002006-12-20T12:08:00.000-08:00At what point do you ask whether a person (however...At what point do you ask whether a person (however old) should know better. I think it is a poor excuse for someone - in this day and age - to not know better. (Setting aside the argument that Asian is the appropriate term in the first place.) I really think it is up to you to politely correct them. There should not be a free pass for someone just because they are old or trying to pay you a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21651465.post-1166641334711539062006-12-20T11:02:00.000-08:002006-12-20T11:02:00.000-08:00It depends on who it is. If it's an older white pe...It depends on who it is. If it's an older white person in their 60's, I usually let it slide. Because that's what they grew up calling Asians. However, if it's somebody younger, I always say "you know calling an Asian an Oriental is equivalent of calling a Black person a Negro, right? And you do know what "equivalent" means, don't you?"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21651465.post-1166489372266198232006-12-18T16:49:00.000-08:002006-12-18T16:49:00.000-08:00hope your son can let comments like that roll of h...hope your son can let comments like that roll of his back and take it for what it is; a complement. you can't enforce political correctness or expect people who don't know better to be as worldly as you think they ought.<BR/><BR/>the best thing I've found is to smile and say something funny like, "you old people aren't bad either".<BR/><BR/>life is too short to go around waiting to be offended...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21651465.post-1166475128072017762006-12-18T12:52:00.000-08:002006-12-18T12:52:00.000-08:00And on the topic of when to teach our children to ...And on the topic of when to teach our children to be offended: I would rather give them pride in their mixed cultural heritage and a sense of identity so that they can recognize ignorance. <BR/><BR/>Maybe this incident doesn't seem like a big deal because we all know where we come from. The term Oriental doesn't make any of us feel foreign or less entitled to call ourselves American. So maybe Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21651465.post-1166466192416730722006-12-18T10:23:00.000-08:002006-12-18T10:23:00.000-08:00What's in a name or rather how can you name what c...What's in a name or rather how can you name what can not be defined? I am of the thought that people generaly are of the same race, i.e. human. We have great ethnic diversity but lousy terminolgy. <BR/>My multiethnic multicultural children are as of yet undefined. I left those spaces blank on the birth certificate application thinking that perhaps some cog in the system would breech that gap, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21651465.post-1166432805502795232006-12-18T01:06:00.000-08:002006-12-18T01:06:00.000-08:00I would have probably said to your patient "Thank ...I would have probably said to your patient "Thank you. I've met many nice Asian Americans, too". It's not too confrontational, but it does gently amend his use of the term. I used to do that to my 90-year-old friend who used "orientals" because of the generational thing. Over time, she used "Asians" more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21651465.post-1166420977791290422006-12-17T21:49:00.000-08:002006-12-17T21:49:00.000-08:00I think there's a line though - I mean, what if Mi...I think there's a line though - I mean, what if Michael Richards had used the n-word in a respectful way. Would it have been ok then?<BR/><BR/>The problem with older generations is that they're the ones who teach younger generations. And if no one ever speaks up, the younger generations will never get it. I was in a MA level class in education, and a woman who was probably in her 30s made a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21651465.post-1166413576394716002006-12-17T19:46:00.000-08:002006-12-17T19:46:00.000-08:00Joy,Thank you for putting your finger on it: its g...Joy,<BR/><BR/>Thank you for putting your finger on it: its generational.<BR/><BR/>Just like someday, ricedaddies, your kids are going to roll you eyes at you for saying "what's up homies" and "cool" and "yo I'm down wit dat" and whatever, language changes and what's fashionable-to-say changes.<BR/><BR/>When your college-age progeny comes up and tells you (or more likely doesnt) that it isnt Asianthisislarryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04157349911656341561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21651465.post-1166410555305318812006-12-17T18:55:00.000-08:002006-12-17T18:55:00.000-08:00I am Japanese-American married to a southerner (Ca...I am Japanese-American married to a southerner (Caucasian). My FIL, who is one of the nicest and fairest people in this world, often uses the word Oriental. There was a few times I thought to myself: Why is this college-educated person using this term because it sounds so ignorant? But I realized it has more to do with generational differences than ignorance. He grew up during a time when the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21651465.post-1166388114107562782006-12-17T12:41:00.000-08:002006-12-17T12:41:00.000-08:00My 2nd generation Japanese-American parents call t...My 2nd generation Japanese-American parents call themselves Orientals. They thought it was amusing when one of their Nisei friends started insisting on "Asian" and saying, "Orientals are rugs, not people." They think it's all sort of silly.<BR/><BR/>I think the idea is that "Asian" means being from the continent of Asia, while "Oriental" means Eastern, but that the main reference point is the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21651465.post-1166379244699387952006-12-17T10:14:00.000-08:002006-12-17T10:14:00.000-08:00I'm African American and think that if an outdated...I'm African American and think that if an outdated term like "colored" was used in reference to my ethnicity, it would definitely give me pause. But if the person used it while saying something complimentary (such as in this case) and was "too old to know any better", I'd probably just leave it alone. <BR/><BR/>My own grandmother (great grandmother) continued to say "colored" until she died at 91meera bowman-johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09822353561822881644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21651465.post-1166337223063158572006-12-16T22:33:00.000-08:002006-12-16T22:33:00.000-08:00I agree with Eliaday, you should speak up because ...I agree with Eliaday, you should speak up because some people, especially older people do not understand that "oriental" can be offensive in the US. Although, I also agree with Changguang that Asian isn't much better.<BR/><BR/>When my son was a newborn, a white woman asked us what we were ethnically. While she asked the question well enough, when we said he's half Vietnamese, quarter Korean, honglien123https://www.blogger.com/profile/04664865503830892153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21651465.post-1166315614517109242006-12-16T16:33:00.000-08:002006-12-16T16:33:00.000-08:00I think that not standing up and saying something ...I think that not standing up and saying something is the first step in paving the road for the kind of behavior exhibited by Rosie O'Donnell. You know, "I didn't know it was offensive."<BR/><BR/>If Asian Americans never step up and say anything, of course people are going to feel this way.<BR/><BR/>Asian American IS a political identity. It's not like there's really any culture or experiencesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21651465.post-1166310231863960342006-12-16T15:03:00.000-08:002006-12-16T15:03:00.000-08:00it does matter. read the kimchimamas on Rosie's c...it does matter. read the kimchimamas on Rosie's ching chong crap. read Robert Lee's book, Orientals: Asian Americans in Popular Culture<BR/>Synopsis:<BR/>Sooner or later every Asian American must deal with the question, "Where do you come from?" It is probably the most familiar if least aggressive form of racism. It is a tip off to the persistent notion that people of Asian ancestry are not Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21651465.post-1166309352347023482006-12-16T14:49:00.000-08:002006-12-16T14:49:00.000-08:00I guess I'm surprised that the only discussion is ...I guess I'm surprised that the only discussion is over the Asian/Oriental issue. What about his comment, while well-intentioned, being about lumping you into a group based on race in the first place? Does it really matter what label he put on it? Isn't the fact that he said it that way at all what makes it offensive? Couldn't/shouldn't he have said "You're so nice" -- why did he have to mention Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21651465.post-1166300843187226762006-12-16T12:27:00.000-08:002006-12-16T12:27:00.000-08:00The guy was trying to be nice. I'd just leave it ...The guy was trying to be nice. I'd just leave it at that or say, "Yeah, we Koreans have our good points." To hell with this Oriental or Asian garbage.<BR/><BR/>Where did the term Asian come from? Why is it less offensive than Oriental? I'm supposed to be happy with a term that refers to a land mass that holds the majority of the world's people, several dozen ancient civilizations, thousands Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21651465.post-1166298724816261842006-12-16T11:52:00.000-08:002006-12-16T11:52:00.000-08:00I left a comment this morning, but I don't see it....I left a comment this morning, but I don't see it. So, here's my second attempt:<BR/><BR/>I've been wondering the same thing. What and when should I teach my kids about racist remarks. I don't want my kids to kowtow to people, but I also don't want them to make an issue out of everything. I guess I want them to pick their battles. Personally, I don't get upset when people say Oriental instead of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21651465.post-1166290330669888182006-12-16T09:32:00.000-08:002006-12-16T09:32:00.000-08:00Ok ok I guess I'll stir the pot. Is ignorance any ...Ok ok I guess I'll stir the pot. Is ignorance any excuse for using the term oriental? Does the user's intention play any role in one's response? Is Hapa a racist term? Oh sorry I threw in that last one because if you call someone's kid Hapa in my neighborhood, you get slapped.Henrihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16761756953188913137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21651465.post-1166258218773640092006-12-16T00:36:00.000-08:002006-12-16T00:36:00.000-08:00Holy Shit. Haven't you been here long enough to kn...Holy Shit. Haven't you been here long enough to know better than to bring up Oriental? Do you have any idea what you have just started? All I'm gonna say on this subject is...<BR/><BR/>first! hahah comment #1 out of #245Henrihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16761756953188913137noreply@blogger.com